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When, through no real fault of her own, she becomes embroiled in a battle between two supernatural factions in LA, she ends up running for her life with no idea of why she's become a target. Hope is Robyn's best friend and she and her werewolf boyfriend Karl have come to LA to do a story, but really to check on Robyn. These two will have to use all their abilities she's half demon to keep Robyn alive long enough to figure out who's after her and why! Then we also have a cop necromancer thrown into the mix.

And with Robyn's dead husband joining the search for Robyn and her pursuers, the mix is set. If you're looking for a pure romance, don't look here. If you're looking for a mystery with paranormal elements, an unusual love story that will make you ponder what love is and is not, a story about when and how grief affects different people, and a story about just how whacked out some fringe groups can get You may not exactly be smiling at the end of the book, but you will be panting for the next one.

This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. I should say I really dislike the character of Hope in this series. It must say something good about Armstrong's talent for creating characters that I have this reaction. I can't stand Hope and that made it impossible for me to finish this book.

Mostly because Hope is mentally worrying all the time about how she would react if Karl leaves her, instead of, say, how she would react if Karl got killed by a mutt. Which just goes to show what type of person Hope is. Honestly, maybe you, Hope dear, sh I should say I really dislike the character of Hope in this series. Honestly, maybe you, Hope dear, should really worry about your friend. Additionally, the shifts in viewpoint are good in terms of breaking with the standard but too often the reader is told the same thing more than once by different characters.

Still I made it over half way, and Armstrong's writing is a cut above much of the rest of slush pile that is UF these days. This book hasn't turned me off her, not by a long shot, but I just don't like Hope. And instead of my decision being black and white, it has turned out more a shade of grey. Robyn, PR to a popular LA socialite, finds herself the main suspect in her clients murder.

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Chased by the police, and being followed by a mysterious young woman looking to harm her, Robyn does what any normal human person would do, and freaks out. Thankfully Robyn has two powerful friends, Hope a half demon who can sense chaos , and her boyfriend Karl a pack werewolf , who are able to untangle the web she has been caught in, and assist from a more supernatural point of view. There is no way this situation had to become this complicated. I feel that Hope and Karl actually made the whole situation about 10 times worse by becoming involved and trying to control everything.

Robyn was still suspected of three murders, including one of a cop, and it just said the Cabals were going to bribe and divert all further attention until the matter just went away. How is the detective, Finn, supposed to explain all of it? Half a dozen people died on his case, there was an ambush involving a private tactical unit on the clairvoyant compound, and again a COP has been gunned down in the street, and all of this is just going to be pushed under the rug? In a story where there are numerous supernaturals, that part just goes beyond all belief.

What I do love about this book, and what I have loved about all the previous entries into the series, is the characterisation. Hope is a really interesting young women, who is just coming to terms with her power and what that means. By the end she realises that she needs to make a decision by herself, even if it means sending Karl away, which she does. Robyn was pretty throwaway for me, Karl was his usual…. The first two books in the Women of the Otherworld series were excellent, with Bitten still being one of my favourites. The third book was a major downer that made me want to throw the paperback across the room, but then it started to pick up again, although never really meeting the same heights of the beginning.

There have been a number of mysterious happenings in the supernatural world recently, and taken together they cannot mean anything good. Jul 31, Irina Villacis rated it liked it. Oct 11, Susan rated it liked it. Unfortunately my least favorite of the series so far. I didn't grow any feelings for the characters or the storyline. May 29, jeliy rated it liked it.

Jun 23, Jen Davis rated it really liked it Shelves: This didn't feel like an Otherworld book. It was deeply disturbing and dark. It featured some characters we know: It's been six months since Robyn's husband Damon died.

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Since then, she's moved to LA to start a new life for herself. She's a PR rep for a celebutante, but she's really just going through the motions. Hope i This didn't feel like an Otherworld book. Hope is worried about her --the two are longtime friends-- so she and Karl come to visit. Shortly after they arrive, Robyn's client is killed and thanks to a string of unlikely events, Robyn becomes the prime suspect. Then Karl and Hope must figure out who really killed the woman and why, while protecting Robyn from the real killer. Investigating the case is Detective John Finnley.

Finn's a necromancer, though he doesn't even really know what that means. He only knows that he occasionally sees ghosts The ghosts of the victims help lead his way, and so does eventually the ghost of Robyn's husband. Earlier, I mentioned that this story is disturbing. That's due almost entirely to our villain, a sociopathic clairvoyant named Adele. She is the real killer. It's not because she enjoys killing; she's just looking out for number one. You see, Robyn's client had the misfortune of accidentally taking an incriminating photo of Adele.

That leads to her death. And the deaths that follow are also to keep Adele's secret -- that she is trying to escape from her commune of clairvoyants to join the Nast cabal. That doesn't sound that bad But there's more to her schemes. She slips birth control pills to one of her commune sisters, knowing it will eventually force the girl into what's essentially gang rape when she can't conceive a child by her husband.

The husband Adele wanted for her own. She has sex with a mentally disabled boy to manipulate him into sharing his powers with her, and gets pregnant with his child. Then she seduces his younger brother, a 15 year-old, to hide the baby's paternity. She doesn't care what she has to do or who she has to do it to, to get what she wants. Adele is really a product of the environment she has grown up in The commune beats its children to instill fear of the cabals; it inbreeds; uses the disabled for their powers; and we've already talked about the forced sex. It even kills those whose powers are too weak to make them useful.

And even as I try to describe all this, I know it doesn't do it justice. There's a lot going on here. Their relationship is at a crossroads. And Hope has a lot of uncertainty about her future. And in the end, we see that the major developments in this book and the previous ones are intertwined, perhaps in some greater purpose, or bigger picture. I find that very intriguing.

It was a solid installment And I missed the romance. Oct 10, Jennifer rated it really liked it Shelves: This review was originally posted on my review blog: Falling Off The Shelf. Robyn Peltier never knew that moving to Los Angelas would be such a eye-opening experience. It's one thing following around a famous celebutante like Portia Kane, clearly another when your being chased down by psychotic murderers. All she ever wanted to do was move away from the horrible memories of her husbands death, not walk straight into more.

When her client is gunned down in the back room of a local night club, Rob This review was originally posted on my review blog: When her client is gunned down in the back room of a local night club, Robyn is the prime suspect for murder. Hope Adams is Robyn's best friend, and she will do anything to clear her good friend's name. It's crazy enough that Robyn is being hunted down by the police for a murder she didn't commit, but now they have to worry about being stuck in the middle of a turf war between Otherworld Cabals.

Hope wants to keep the secrets of the Otherworld as far from her friend's ears as possible, but it may be the only way to save her. It's going to take a lot of help to clear her of this one, and Hope knows just the people who can get the job done. I've been a big fan of Kelley Armstrong's Women of the Otherworld Series, and it's no surprise that I would love this book. I read a lot of reviews on Amazon before reading this book, and I was a bit skeptical. A lot of people said they got confused with the constant point-of-view change, but personally I didn't have a problem with it at all.

Don't get me wrong, there were a lot of different point-of-views in this installment, from Robyn, to Hope, to Karl, and even the murderer. It was a real brain boggler in the beginning. As soon as I got my bearings, which didn't take long, just a few short chapters, I was able to enjoy this book as much as I have enjoyed every other installment in this fabulous series. I loved how Robyn was determined to do her part in helping to find the murderer of her client, while not really knowing the full scheme of things.

She put herself in danger quite a few times, and on many occasions needed the help of her friends to get out of it, but she did it in stride. I honestly don't know how I would react in her situation, being hunted by both the police and a psychotic killer. I'd probably end up climbing under my bed and hoping for the best. I was super excited to finally learn more about Hope Adams, and her lover Karl Marsten. They've shown their faces in previous installments in this series, but I've been wondering when they would surface as main characters. They had always had an on and off again romance brewing, and it was nice to see how things turned out between them here.

I'm worried about what will occur in the coming novels with Hope though, because she has some big choices to make, and I hope she will make the right ones. It makes me want to pick up the next installment right now and read it, but unfortunately I'll have to find a way to get my hands on it first. I can't wait to see where things will go with the Otherworld in the next installment, Frostbitten. Jan 02, Celine rated it liked it Shelves: On many points Living with the Dead is very different from its eight predecessors, and in my opinion this is not a good thing.

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After being widowed at twenty-eight, Robyn takes the job of being Portia's PR person. When Portia is murdered in a club and Robyn flights the scene to chase after the killer, she is number one suspect on the police's list. Together with her friend Hope and Hope's boyfriend Karl, she gets caught up in several plots to kill her. Overall I think Living with the Dead 's main problem is the severe lack of focus.

The story is all over the place, with tons of characters each having their own motivation for their actions.

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Living with the Dead is written from multiple points of view in third person, creating a whole chorus of voices instead of the steady, personal first person view we're used to. One of Ms Armstrong's forte's is usually creating a mystery. I'm always fully engaged into the plot, trying to figure everything out along with the characters. Because we have so many POVs here, the reader is privy to more information than the characters. For example, the reader knows Detective Finn is actually a good guy trying to help, while Robyn and Hope are constantly trying to stay away from him.

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This all makes for a frustrating, and in the end unsatisfying read. It saddened me to see Hope and Karl's relationship to be reduced to a standard male-dominated one. I don't think Hope stood her ground enough, and most of the story she felt more like a needy puppy than an adult woman. I love the couples in the Women of the Otherworld series that are equals, like Paige and Lucas. Hope and Karl were okay in the previous book, Personal Demon , but I don't think Living with the Dead did them justice.

I didn't see any of that in Living with the Dead. There are no romantic moments, most of the time it's just Karl ordering Hope around. In the end I did enjoy the story, even though at times it is overly gruesome it features a commune that celebrates inbreeding and torture of children. Ms Armstrong knows how to write an engaging story.

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Sadly Living with the Dead was my least favourite book of her so far. Mar 30, Alyssa Nelson rated it really liked it Shelves: I was about a quarter of the way in when I thought: And then I kept having that same thought the rest of the way through. The antagonist of this book is truly crazy, which led to a lot of intense, very sad situations. My favorite part was all of the misunderstandings that arise when the characters tried the theorize as to what was going on — everyone kept overthinking the series of events and were so mistrustful of everyone else so that it took a really long time for the characters to work out who was actually on whose side and who they could work with.

I liked reading about more of Hope and Karl, and it was nice to see Hope taking charge. Basically, this is an amazing series, and this was a pretty-okay installment of it. Also posted on Purple People Readers. Dec 28, Shelley rated it liked it Shelves: Hope and Karl return to the next addition to the women of the otherworld. This time they are trying to save Hope's friend Robyn. Robyn, who has no supernatural abilites at all, and who is mourning the recent murder of her good Samaritan husband, Damon, and trying to tolerate her job as a PR representative for Portia Kane, a tabloid celebutante.

But when Portia is shot and Robyn becomes the prime suspect, she flees, only to find herself inexplicably in the middle of the supernatural world Hope ha Hope and Karl return to the next addition to the women of the otherworld. But when Portia is shot and Robyn becomes the prime suspect, she flees, only to find herself inexplicably in the middle of the supernatural world Hope has been trying to shield her from.

Stalked by a psychopathic clairvoyant and tracked by the cop, John Findley, who happens to see dead people, Robyn is way out of her league. John is a necromancer by trade, and would have been a great storyline had they added Jaime Vargas to the mix. I mean c'mon, think of the possibilities! Warning to all those attempting to read this as a standalone.

Yes, it could be read as a stand-alone, but then you are missing out on key parts of the storyline. All of them turn up, either in person or by reference. The only problem, in my humble opinion, is that the story is told from various characters prospectives, and you have to really pay attent or your lost. This was a nice, refreshing installment in the Women of the Otherworld series. I really liked the twists and turns in this story, and there was sure lots of that and lots of action. In my opinion a very well put together story into an elaborate world. My only complaint was the fact that we didn't know most of the characters involved, so this could "almost" be a stand-alone story you wouldn't need a lot of background story to understand it.

I did come to like Robyn and Finn. Even though Damon, h This was a nice, refreshing installment in the Women of the Otherworld series. Even though Damon, her husband's ghost was still around, and I knew they would get a moments reunion, I was rooting for Robyn and Finn to get together, which is why at the end of the book I was still a bit frustrated. But I guess there's always hope for the next book.

And if I must add one more thing How hard could it possibly be to turn yourself in to the cops! And, of course, I wanted to cry at the end of the book, which is why I'm dying to get my hands on the next book already and see how it all unfolds. I also enjoyed getting to see different viewpoints, I think that gives the readers a complete understanding of everything going on. If you are looking for romance, this is not the book for you. It's more of a mystery with a taste of paranormal, but I like mysteries, so I enjoyed this one a lot!

Oct 07, Carolyn F.


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Audiobook Am I the only one who didn't like the ending? And what is going on with Hope and Karl? Are they broke-up or engaged? Just like Jamie Vegas. Jan 15, Amber rated it liked it. I would have liked this one a lot more if there was more reason to why Adele did the things she did. The ending just kind of made it seem like she went on a killing spree for no reason. This isn't my favourite of Kelley's books, in fact in the series it's my least favourite, however even Kelley's 'worst' book is better then most out there and still very good.

Karl is not my favourite pack member cause the favourite positions are commandeered by the surviving original pack members but I do love him! He is the major redeeming factor in the book! That and I love learning more about such an elusive supernatural type.


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Clairvoyants are one of the rarest supernatural races and general This isn't my favourite of Kelley's books, in fact in the series it's my least favourite, however even Kelley's 'worst' book is better then most out there and still very good. Clairvoyants are one of the rarest supernatural races and generally stay hidden, even from other supernaturals for fear of being forced into 'employment' by cabals, despite the fact that overuse of their powers causes madness in them the same way it does to necromancers as we seen in Industrial Magic.

Adele is a vile character and I couldn't find any sympathy for her, she was a real sociopath, only interested in her own well being caring for nobody and nothing else. The things she did while constantly excusing herself and blaming her reprehensible acts on others made her a truly replusive villian that you can't help hating. Rhys was an interesting character and him I did like, he wasn't the typical mercenary or a self-centred one like Xavier Reese was.

He seemed like a mercenary with morales and principles unlike most of the mercenaries we've met in the books. I did like Robyn and it was interesting having a human as a narrator which hasn't happened in the series before and seeing how she reacts to the news about her best friend Hope and the exsistence of supernaturals. She actually handled it pretty well though a lot of that was probably because of how close she was to Hope.

Hope grows a good bit in this and learns to better handle her demon side and find some balance though she realises she has to take a short break from Karl, not in the sense of breaking up with him but more learning to trust herself more and handle decisions herself instead of looking to him for all the answers. She's also realising she needs more to satisfy her chaos hunger then the council jobs alone can provide. I also liked Finn, both as a character and narrator. It was interesting seeing his reaction to finding out he wasn't quite as speacial as he thought he was. It was interesting as well to learn that though his powers went way back in his family they were totally isolated from and ignorant of other supernaturals, including other necromancers.

He hadn't even heard the term applied to him before meeting Damon's ghost. It was admirable that at the end he was taking steps to learn more about his powers and meet other supernaturals. I also felt bad for him that at the end he was second guessing every gesture of friendship Robyn made thinking she was only offering in the hope that her dead husband Damon was with Finn. Like I said while not the best book in the series it was still very good and interesting to read but it always takes me the longest to read out of the series!

Nov 12, Tez rated it really liked it. An innocent human learns of the supernatural amongst us in Kelley Armstrong's Living with the Dead. Robyn Peltier's client has been killed, and she's being set up for murder. Still recovering from her husband's death, the last thing she needs is her pal Hope Adams and her guy Karl Marsten parading their coupleness in her face, but they're the only ones who have insight into who the murderer really is But Robyn doesn't know that Hope is a half-demon and Karl is a w An innocent human learns of the supernatural amongst us in Kelley Armstrong's Living with the Dead.

But Robyn doesn't know that Hope is a half-demon and Karl is a werewolf. And when she does find out, Hope and Karl are less than civil to her. It's easy to relate to Robyn, who's in over her head, and struggling with her grief. Hope and Karl, meanwhile, are rather annoying with their relationship, which takes a distinctly emo turn.

Adele Morrissey, however, is a fascinating antagonist, thanks to the new world she brings to this series. Clairvoyants are not entirely unlike werewolves - they both stick with their respective groups, and try to get work in human society. The kumpania specialises in celebrity photography, as their remote-viewing skills help them anticipate a subject's moves, and therefore arrive before other paparazzi.

This in itself isn't interesting, but what happens in the kumpania surely is There are strict rules and regulations to make sure their kind doesn't die out, which means carefully arranged pairings. To avoid birth defects from in-breeding, occasionally outsiders with clairvoyance are brought in, like Adele was when she was five.

Kumpania life doesn't suit her at all, but if she leaves they'll murder her. But what's most disturbing and intriguing about the kumpania is who's living underground - and why. It truly makes you step back and look on in awe of the author's ideas. Told in third-person from six points of view, if you've missed reading the previous books in the series, this might be the easiest minus the first, Bitten to read as a standalone.

There's information that'll clue you in to what's happened previously, but I've been fortunate enough to read this series in the correct order which rarely happens with a series as long as this. And scattered amongst this novel are plenty of loose ends from various books that can, and should, be picked up later in the series.

A character will be going on business to Australia, and I dearly hope my country gets some decent story time Try to avoid the obvious, people - there's more to Oz than Sydney and its icons. But I'm from Melbourne ;- Also, if you can believe that someone can survive a bullet to the brain, best keep tuned to the rest of this series, as I certainly hope this situation is explained and that the character gets more story time in future novels. The author clearly has plenty of ideas to share Oct 14, Melindeeloo rated it liked it.

Pleasant enough visit to Armstrong's Otherworld Living with the Dead is not quite what I expected coming on the heels of Personal Demon Women of the Otherworld, Book 8 , which left Lucas in a quandry that I had thought would lead to some interesting upheaval in the overall story arc of the series.


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Instead Lucas is a minor off-screen character here and we continue on with half choas demon Hope and her werewolf mate Karl. But Living with the dead is more multithreaded than Armstrong's previous bo Pleasant enough visit to Armstrong's Otherworld Living with the Dead is not quite what I expected coming on the heels of Personal Demon Women of the Otherworld, Book 8 , which left Lucas in a quandry that I had thought would lead to some interesting upheaval in the overall story arc of the series.

But Living with the dead is more multithreaded than Armstrong's previous books and Hope and Karl share the screen time with: Out of all of the characters in the book I think that I enjoyed Finn and his ghostly assistant the most. While Living with the Dead was a pleasant enough read, and I am now officially tired of Hope.

I don't know what's up next for the women of the Otherworld, but if you want to see more of the men, Armstrong is releasing an anthology of stories some were originally available on her website , The Living with the Dead Women of the Otherworld, Book 9 , so you can find out the scoop on Jeremy and Clay while having the satisfaction of knowing that Armstrong is donating profits from the book to charity. Aug 20, Wealhtheow rated it it was ok Shelves: Hope's old friend Robyn recently lost her husband and is lost to grief.

Hope is a half-chaos demon who works for the tabloids and the supernatural Council, but she drops everything to go stay with Robyn for a while. It turns out Robyn needs her help more than she ever expected--because Robyn's starlet client has just been murdered, and Robyn is the number one suspect. It's up to Hope, her werewolf boyfriend Karl, and a cop who can see ghosts to find the truth. One annoying thing about listening Hope's old friend Robyn recently lost her husband and is lost to grief.

One annoying thing about listening to this book instead of reading it is that I couldn't skim, which is how I usually read Armstrong's novels. She restates practically everything, particularly in regards to characters' relationships with each other. Only now a reckless killer has torn down the wall, trapping one very human woman in the supernatural crossfire. Robyn moved to LA after her husband died to try to put some distance between herself and the life they had together.

And the challenges of her job as the PR consultant to a Paris Hilton wannabe are pretty distracting. But then her celebutante is gunned down in a night club, and Robyn is suddenly the prime suspect. The two people most determined to clear her are her old friend, the half-demon tabloid reporter Hope Adams, and a homicide detective with an uncanny affinity for the dead. Soon Robyn finds herself in the heart of a world she never even knew existed - and which she was safer knowing nothing about.

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